This Is The Time For Churches To Put their House In Order – Dr Olumide Emmanuel On CAMA 2020

 

OLUMIDE OLADPO EMMANUEL popularly known as the Common Sense Guru is no doubt one of the worlds leading Relationship Experts, Motivational Speakers and Wealth Creation Agents.

 He is a man of multiple graces whose influence spreads across the religious and secular arena with local and international awards to show for it. He is a best-selling author of over thirty books both from self-published platform and world renowned publishing houses. His books are well celebrated worldwide with eight of them already translated in other languages.

 

With an Executive Masters Degree in Business Administration from University of Huddersfield in the UK and A Real Estate Executive Certificate with a special focus on Capital Markets, Project Finance, and Business Strategy from the prestigious Harvard Business School in the United States, Olumide Emmanuel is loaded with all round success. He is the Host of the daily “Pathway to Wealth” broadcast with millions of followers; the weekly “Success, Business, and Leadership School” where a new breed without greed is being raised, empowered and released; and the monthly “School of Money Seminar” where thousands of participants are being mentored and guided for cooperative wealth; and many other conferences like the “Wisdom for Singles”, “Wisdom for Couples”, “How to be a Best-selling Author”,  “How to Build a Successful Business” and “How to be a Millionaire”.

 

He is on the board of many businesses and organisations and directly manages some of them which include Parable Ventures Ltd, Fingerprints, Plus Global Ventures and the Common Sense Group as the Chairman and CEO over the group with subsidiaries covering Real Estate, Oil and Gas, Travel and Tours, Publishing, Media, Consulting, Training and Seminar.

 

As a Philanthropist and Humanitarian, he founded the Non-Governmental Organisation, Dynamites Forum International (DFI) to help empower the youth and raise the next generation, and the Olumide Emmanuel Foundation (OEF) with the aim of eradicating poverty and establishing a positive legacy.

 

He is married with children.

 

In this interview with Info Online News, the vocal man of God spoke about the recently signed controversial CAMA 2020 and how the church cand nation at large can benefit from it, enjoy it.

The federal government of Nigeria recently passed into law the Companies & Allied Matters Act (CAMA) which contains a section that allows the government to interfere in the affairs of churches in the country. Please, tell us your take on this law?

Let me begin by saying that I am not a lawyer, but as an apostle in the marketplace, I operate both in the business world and the church and have over 31 years experience in both spheres with a global operation spanning 4 continents, so I have a pretty good grasp of organisational operations and oversight. The CAMA 2020 is not altogether new but an updated version of the 1990 version and it’s a 606-page document loaded with many revolutionary provisions that will forever change the game of business in Nigeria and help many businesses excel. We, however, have just about 5 pages of the document that directly relates to your question and has become unfortunately an issue of contention to my amazement. My take on this is that while there are few ambiguities in some aspects of the documents as it relates to the supposed “ interference “, many of the noise we are hearing about this is highly unnecessary and uncalled for. From the reactions I have read and heard from many quarters in the church, it is evident that many pastors have not really read the document but are on an emotional and sentimental bandwagon which is quite unfortunate for the church.

Over 90% of the pastors and ministers that have spoken to me on this issue have not read CAMA 2020 personally, and yet they have a strong opinion about a document they have not read, it’s a sad development if this is the level we have reduced Christianity to now.

 

What do you think as reasons for the enactment of the CAMA law by the government?

It’s not a new law, it’s just an updated version of a law that has existed for over 30 years and many of the ministries that are complaining today have already been under the CAMA 1990 law for decades and the 1990 version also has provisions for “ interference” as you call it, so why the noise now.

The CAMA act 1990 has provisions for you to align with which included audited accounts, annual returns, limitations and removal of trustees, use of properties, winding down procedures, etc so I am lost here “ can an arm of government have the right to register you and not have the right to regulate you?

The law was established to serve as a way to govern, regulate and oversee the way organisations that are registered under C.A.C are run and it covers every kind of organisation which includes the churches. So the reason is regulation and not witch-hunting as is being peddled by some even though there are aspects that have the possibility of being abused.

The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) leadership has described the law as obnoxious and a declaration of war against the Church by the State. Do you share this view with the CAN leadership?

I personally do not share the view of CAN because they are 30 years late. If the 1990 version is applied fully there are many churches today that will be shut down and many pastors that will end up in jail not because of any witch-hunt but because of the lawlessness of many churches and pastors. E.g. the 1990 version and 2020 one too, states that no trustee of the church can earn from the church yet many pastors are trustees of their churches and also earning income which is an error, so that alone from the 1990 version and now the 2020 version can finish many pastors.

The 1990 version and 2020 version also expects that all registered trustees must submit their annual audited account and do annual returns but many churches that are registered have never done that which is an error, so truth be told, while some aspect of the new law are ambiguous, we really need to put our house in order and stop crying wolf where there really is none.

 

Some people said churches should have no fear of submitting to financial scrutiny by the government if they are doing no wrongs and their records are clean? What do you have to say to that?

Like I stated earlier, the 1990 version and 2020 version already have that as a law, you cannot be a trustee over public funds and not be subject to oversight. Churches are not registered in Nigeria, it is trustees that are registered, and the law is clear since 1990 about the roles and expectations of trustees. So why do some have issues with having public funds in their trust being looked into? We are the church of the living God and should be held at a higher moral and financial standard or else we are not different from the politicians that have ruined the nation.

 

You are raising a poser with your forthcoming programme titled CAMA 2O20 & The Church; the Truth and the Tales. What are you driving at with this programme?

The event is coming up on Sunday 6th of September from 8pm to 9pm on my Instagram handle @olumidemmanuel and my reason for putting this together is to bring a lawyer on board so we can help pastors and church leaders have clarity like we have done for over 20 years in many ministers conference all over the nation. This will help clarify the truth from the tales and put things in the proper perspective void of emotion, sentiments and zeal without knowledge. E.g I keep hearing many pastors and ministers shouting that the registrar general now has the sole power of removing church trustees and bringing in interim trustees which is not true because the same people saying that are not clearly explaining the process that was itemised in the document. Please, please and please let’s stop disgracing ourselves and ensure we read the document and get clarity before making public statements and let’s avoid using our religious prism to interpret a legal document.

For the trustees to be removed:

- There must be a petition from the trustees and 20% of the church members

- The commission then investigates the petition to know if there is a case to be answered

 - Then the minister looks through it and approves that there is a case to answer

- Then the case is handed over to the court so that the parties can come and prove or disprove their case and then the court decides what happens.

- If the court approves that the trustees are liable, the court then empowers the commission to remove the trustees and appoint an interim trustee

- the interim trustees only have a maximum of 12 months to be in the church during which time a new trustee is appointed by the church to take over from the interim trustee.

 - The interim trustees have nothing to do with the spiritual running of the church but take over the administration of the finances and properties since that is the reason for the petition and the court has already found the church trustee guilty.

So where in all this process does the registrar have a unilateral power to suspend a church trustee or are they reading a different CAMA from the Nigerian one in question?

Few areas of ambiguity that can be abused like I have stated severally before now are:

- The document does not state the kind of people that can be appointed as interim trustees and that needs to be clear so they don’t appoint Muslims as trustees over a church.

- The document is not clear about the supposed sources of petition because one or two trustees can decide to plan a coup and get 20% of the people into the plot like Lucifer did and cause unnecessary trouble with lies and deception. It used to be 50% in the 1990 version but has been reduced in the 2020 version.

- The clause on “public interest“ as a reason to come in is a major error that opens the door for abuse because that is a very difficult aspect to prove in law and any honest lawyer will tell you that, it is the person with the authority that ends up deciding what they consider to be of ‘’public interest ‘’ and in a warped society like Nigeria where politicians don’t obey the rule of law and corruption is second nature, that clause is a time bomb.

How best do you think the Nigerian Church leadership should handle this CAMA issue, or churches in the country should just accept to live with the CAMA reality since a similar law is being practiced in some other countries like the U.K and The U.S?

Let’s leave other countries out of the equation for now and face our own CAMA. The law is the law, so as at today whether we accept it or not, it’s already the law and even if we cry out for an adjustment it will take some time so, for now, we should do the following:

- The church must begin by acknowledging that we have failed by abandoning the marketplace and the diverse spheres of influence to the sons of Belial.

- The church must also repent of not being a good role model to the world when it comes to accountability and moderation which has made many people lose the respect they should have for us.

- The church must also own up to our negligence and docility that made us sleep while a major law that affects us is being updated without our input

- the church must then now reads the law and come up with our own version of what we believe should be considered to handle all the ambiguities, so we can then send that to the appropriate authority either for them to utilize in a review or to be used as an operational guide in the implementation of the law.

We can't be using social media to rant without intelligent and strategic steps. The way it is appearing now in the public domain, it's sounding as if churches don’t want to be regulated or be accountable because they have something to hide but that's not the message I believe is being passed, that's however how we are sounding because of our medium and approach.

We should also use this opportunity to look into how to have our own internal control measure to regulate ourselves as the body of Christ in Nigeria and all individual churches should look into their internal system and structure and correct any lapses to ensure they are in compliance to best practices as stated in the document. It is not compulsory to register your church, but once you choose to register, you have to align with the law.

The government explained that the CAMA law is in the public interest. Can you draw a parallel between Public interest and God Interest; is there a meeting point?

Gods interest is always in the public interest so there's never confusion about that, but like I said earlier on when the government says they are doing something in the “public interest” it is legally and morally right BUT the Nigerian government has never proved worthy of such trust based on their track record. So really it's a trust issue.

The Church in Nigerian is barely coming out of COVID-19 to now face CAMA-20. Do you suspect any agenda against the Church as it is being feared in some quarters?

There's really no agenda anywhere per se, if there's any agenda it is heaven's agenda to purge and cleanse the church. Come to think of it, why are we so concerned about Islamic agenda when we have a kingdom agenda we should be focusing on fulfilling? If the Muslims are passionate and strategic about carrying out their own Islamic agenda, why are we docile about our own kingdom agenda? It’s time for the church to wake up from the slumber of prayerlessness, worldliness, shallowness and watered-down Christianity void of discipleship and kingdom mindedness, and become strategic, intentional and united about the kingdom agenda as opposed to their individual church and denominational agenda.

If the CAMA Law is eventually declared irreversible by the highest court in the country what does the CAMA law portend for the future of the Nigerian Church?

Already answered... it's time to put our house in order. For your trustees to turn against you as a pastor, and then 20% of your real and current members (not old or fake members) to also be against you to the level of sending a petition to CAC then something must have really gone wrong, and it means you either don’t have any internal constitution or policy document to handle crisis management or it has failed. And then for you to be taken through all the process I itemised above as laid down by the CAMA 2020 and you are found guilty by a court of law, it is justice being done and not witch-hunting.

Lastly, what are some lessons that churches in Nigeria should take from the enactment of the CAMA law and, which other areas should churches in the country correct themselves in order to avoid further slamming of more laws on churches in the country by the State (government) in the future?

Like I have stated already.

- It's time to put our house in order

- Go through the provision of the law clearly and ensure you put structures in place for compliance with organisational management and global best practices

 - It's time for the church to drop religion and denominationalism and come together to establish our own internal control system “so we self-regulate and judge ourselves lest we be judged.”

- It's time to move from Churchianity to kingdom and stop burying our head in the sand when it comes to the marketplace.

Let’s begin to raise kingdom ambassadors for the marketplace and start taking over the different spheres of influence lest we remain as spectators in a world we should have dominion over. When we were supposed to take over in politics we called it a dirty game When we were supposed to take over the media we called it the devil's box. When we were supposed to take over entertainment we called it worldliness When we were supposed to take over the business and economic we said this world is not our own etc. It’s time to wake up and wise up, Jesus did not die to give us a religion, he died to give us a kingdom.

Thank you for your audience sir…

Thanks for having me, and let all your readers go to my website www.olumideemmanuel.org to download 2 free e-books title 50 COMMON MONEY MISTAKES TO AVOID and 50 THINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER TAKE FOR GRANTED. They should also follow me on all my social media handles and connect to the broadcast on CAMA 2020 on Instagram @olumidemmanuel by 8pm on Sunday 6th September. May the Lord perfect all that concerns his church.